[Testingsquad-list] Testing/QA refresh

Tue Mar 6 18:28:49 EET 2012

Thanks for this.  A few comments-

2012/3/6 Iván Gálvez Junquera <ivgalvez at gmail.com>

> Considering that Maemo community is shrinking, we cannot continue with the
> actual process. We need to both fix some issues in the whole process of
> promotion and also grant more administrative privileges to testers.
> If creating a new role (Supertesters) could be problematic from an
> administration point of view, I think we can simply grant more abilities to
> already existing Testers.
>
> *New members of the testing squad:*
> These people have been suggested to become new Testers:
>
> Demolition
> vi_
> ammyt
> ivgalvez
>
> Please any one else interested in become a new Tester send an email to
> this mailing list.
>
Supertesters already exist.  The people named above are nominated to
be *additional
*Supertesters.  There is no qualification to be a "Tester."  Any member of
maemo.org can test packages.

>
> *Proposed changes for the promotion process:*
> *This should be the easiest part of the changes that we are proposi*
> - Promotion of applications from Testing to Extras should be automatic
> once the requirements are fulfilled. No need of maintainer to actively
> promoting the application.
> This will allow orphaned applications to be promoted.
>
> - Only one Tester vote, enough to promote an application.
> - Five User votes, enough to promote an application.
> We are running out of man power.
>
> All other criteria could be maintained as they are now.
>
> Only one Supertester vote is enough to promote an application.  There is
no difference between "Tester" and "User."

> *Proposed new permissions/abilities for Testers:*
> - Add a new developer to maintainer list of any package.
> - Delete a package from the repository.
> - Edit bugtracker link.
> - Ability to promote a package not only from Testing to Extras but also
> from Devel to Testing.
> - Ability to downgrade a package from Extras to Testing, and even to
> Devel.
> - Ability to prevent automatic promotion of a package from Testing to
> Extras (to avoid popular but potentially dangerous app to be promoted
> automatically if reached the number of user votes needed).
>
> We also need to preclude a Supertester from promoting their own package
with their single vote.

Rob

>
> 2012/3/5 Iván Gálvez Junquera <ivgalvez at gmail.com>
>
>> I will prepare a summary of the points to be discussed and I'll send it
>> ASAP.
>>
>> Considering it's going to be impossible to everyone to attend to the
>> meeting, we need to schedule according to Henri and Niels availability.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> 2012/3/5 Marcin M. <marmistrzmar at linux.pl>
>>
>> As for me, Friday is impossible. Don't know how 'bout Monday, but I'll
>>> try to attend if it's possible. Maybe not the whole hour, but I'll try to
>>> be as long time as I can.
>>> But I think anyway the most important things should be emailed before
>>> anything is decided.
>>> --
>>> Marcin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> W dniu 5 marca 2012 15:06 użytkownik Iván Gálvez Junquera <
>>> ivgalvez at gmail.com> napisał:
>>>
>>> OK then. let's try to find a suitable time to talk on IRC as soon as
>>>> possible.
>>>>
>>>> How about this first proposal?
>>>>
>>>> 1. Friday 9th March 16:00-17:00 GMT
>>>> 2. Friday 9th March 17:00-18:00 GMT
>>>> 3. Monday 12th March 18:30-19:30 GMT
>>>>
>>>> Please Henri or Niels, tell me if any of this proposals is OK for you
>>>> or send me a suggestion that fits better on your schedule.
>>>>
>>>> I understand that, at least one member of the testing squad should be
>>>> available for the talk and, from my side, I'll try to attend the meeting
>>>> and to address all the needs we have so far being discussing at TMO.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> 2012/3/5 robert bauer <nybauer at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Iván,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please schedule an IRC meeting with Niels or Henri in the next couple
>>>>> weeks to clarify the admin rights.  It's possible that they are reluctant
>>>>> to grant some admin rights or will want to restrict them.  I agree with
>>>>> Marcin that promotion should be automatic as soon as the criteria is
>>>>> satisfied.  Niels and/or Henri will have to say if/how this is possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for doing this and let me know if you need Council to confirm
>>>>> these instructions, although I would hope Niels and Henri would accept this
>>>>> email as sufficient.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Iván Gálvez Junquera <
>>>>> ivgalvez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, we need to be granted with administrative privileges in
>>>>>> order to be able to do any work. An IRC meeting with Nokia guys would be a
>>>>>> good idea as I think we need to start doing tasks the sooner the better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None of us has a lot of spare time to spend in the Maemo community
>>>>>> and, indeed, we are a small bunch of people, but if we are able to start
>>>>>> moving the wheel, we can accomplish the most urgent tasks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob, I'll try to help you as much as possible, please let me know if
>>>>>> there's anything I can start with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2012/3/4 robert bauer <nybauer at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  OK, let's assume that we have our group of supertesters (although
>>>>>>> more will be welcome).  How do we move this process forward?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should we have an IRC meeting that includes Nemein/X-Fade?  What day
>>>>>>> and time works for people?   If not, then what should we do next?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I can't continue to personally drive this effort.  Would
>>>>>>> Demolition or iGalvez (or anyone else) take on administrative duties to
>>>>>>> organize?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Marcin Mielniczuk <
>>>>>>> marmistrzmar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ooooo its a lot, indeed.
>>>>>>>> So maybe this way: supertester pushes the app, then its for a week
>>>>>>>> still in testing. then normal testers can veto the promotion if suspicious
>>>>>>>> or doubtful (telling why they think so), then if no veto then promotion, if
>>>>>>>> veto, then deeper look into etc. and normal procedure.
>>>>>>>> This would decrease the possibility of a human mistake.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Nokia N900
>>>>>>>> Marcin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun Feb 26 2012 09:09:39 PM CET, robert bauer <nybauer at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Yes, but there is a HUGE backlog of packages to be tested.
>>>>>>>> > http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/
>>>>>>>> > Requiring the votes of 2 supertesters will DOUBLE the amount of
>>>>>>>> time to
>>>>>>>> > work through the backlog.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I think most are in favor of 1 supertester now -
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2012-January/028825.html
>>>>>>>> > Maybe we can have 1 supertester for a limited time, and then
>>>>>>>> revert to 2
>>>>>>>> > supertesters after the backlog is reduced...
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Marcin Mielniczuk
>>>>>>>> > <marmistrzmar at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > > **
>>>>>>>>  > >
>>>>>>>> > > its quite a good idea,
>>>>>>>> > > but I think the promotion should be after votes of 2
>>>>>>>> supertesters
>>>>>>>> > > --
>>>>>>>> > > Sent from my Nokia N900
>>>>>>>> > > Marcin
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > On Sun Feb 26 2012 12:36:13 AM CET, robert bauer <
>>>>>>>> nybauer at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > > Hello,
>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>> > > > We are thinking of reviving this ML for testing/QA purposes.
>>>>>>>> See
>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>> > > > http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82374
>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>> > > > Please feel free to reply simply to announce your interest.
>>>>>>>> If you
>>>>>>>> > > think
>>>>>>>> > > > we should use the developers ML or other communication
>>>>>>>> mechanism,
>>>>>>>> > > > please discuss in this thread.
>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>> > > > If you are one of the people listed below, please be sure to
>>>>>>>> reply if
>>>>>>>> > > you
>>>>>>>> > > > want to remain a tester.  Otherwise we may assume you no
>>>>>>>> longer wish
>>>>>>>> > > > to be a tester.
>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>> > > > SD69
>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>> > > > Andreas Anckar
>>>>>>>> > > > Attila Csipa
>>>>>>>> > > > Mustali Dalal
>>>>>>>> > > > Floriano Scioscia
>>>>>>>> > > > Javier S. Pedro
>>>>>>>> > > > Mikko Vartiainen
>>>>>>>> > > > Alex Easter
>>>>>>>> > > > Timo P
>>>>>>>> > > > Ian Stirling
>>>>>>>> > > > Tomasz Dominikowski
>>>>>>>> > > > Emanuele Cassioli
>>>>>>>> > > > Valério Valério
>>>>>>>> > > > Venomrush
>>>>>>>> > > > Willie Pretorius
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Iván Gálvez Junquera
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Iván Gálvez Junquera
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>> Iván Gálvez Junquera
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